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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Locking Threads

Post by Wrathy » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:45 pm

So giving you an optional swear filter (opt out rather than opt in, but optional all the same) and not enforcing any meaningful anti-swearing policy ourselves is now "heavy handed"?

I think this is a bit of a stretch of the mind.

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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Locking Threads

Post by Pepsi Supreme » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:52 pm

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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Locking Threads

Post by Nofes » Tue Oct 28, 2014 6:57 pm

Wrathy wrote:So giving you an optional swear filter (opt out rather than opt in, but optional all the same) and not enforcing any meaningful anti-swearing policy ourselves is now "heavy handed"?

I think this is a bit of a stretch of the mind.
I don't remember mentioning a swear filter.
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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Locking Threads

Post by ミドリ » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:14 pm

I THINK THE FACT I CAN MAKE POSTS LIKE THIS IS A TESTAMENT TO THE MODERATION BEING MARGINALLY BETTER THAN ONM'S

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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Locking Threads

Post by OrangeRakoon » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:20 pm

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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Locking Threads

Post by abx » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:27 pm

Wrathy wrote:So giving you an optional swear filter (opt out rather than opt in, but optional all the same) and not enforcing any meaningful anti-swearing policy ourselves is now "heavy handed"?
Yes? It's pointless. It's moderation for the sake of moderation. If this forum wants to thrive, it needs to reflect the will of the greater community, not some self serving "this is how it worked before" moderators.
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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Locking Threads

Post by Wrathy » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:28 pm

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Wrathy wrote:So giving you an optional swear filter (opt out rather than opt in, but optional all the same) and not enforcing any meaningful anti-swearing policy ourselves is now "heavy handed"?
Yes? It's pointless. It's moderation for the sake of moderation. If this forum wants to thrive, it needs to reflect the will of the greater community, not some self serving "this is how it worked before" moderators.
At what point did three users become "the greater community"?

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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Locking Threads

Post by ミドリ » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:30 pm

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Wrathy wrote:So giving you an optional swear filter (opt out rather than opt in, but optional all the same) and not enforcing any meaningful anti-swearing policy ourselves is now "heavy handed"?
Yes? It's pointless. It's moderation for the sake of moderation. If this forum wants to thrive, it needs to reflect the will of the greater community, not some self serving "this is how it worked before" moderators.
if it makes this dude upset i am all in favour of more tight and restrictive moderation
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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Locking Threads

Post by abx » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:35 pm

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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Locking Threads

Post by Wrathy » Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:54 pm

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Wrathy wrote:So giving you an optional swear filter (opt out rather than opt in, but optional all the same) and not enforcing any meaningful anti-swearing policy ourselves is now "heavy handed"?
Yes? It's pointless. It's moderation for the sake of moderation. If this forum wants to thrive, it needs to reflect the will of the greater community, not some self serving "this is how it worked before" moderators.
if it makes this dude upset i am all in favour of more tight and restrictive moderation
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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Locking Threads

Post by LFF » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:02 pm

An optional filter is heavy-handed, good one.


As for it being opt-out as opposed to opt-in, personally I might have had it the other way but opt-out protects the interests of new members who may feel uncomfortable with swearing. One thing I would say however is that we need better sign-posting of the filter and how to remove it in the UCP - also it really should have been announced when it was applied, since the lack of information might feel less inclusive for members.
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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Being Dicks

Post by abx » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:08 pm

It's unnecessary. A light touch, damnit.
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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Being Dicks

Post by LFF » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:10 pm

It's unnecessary for you, it's there for others who may not share your outlook.
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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Being Dicks

Post by OrangeRakoon » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:14 pm

This thread covers how to turn it off, and it was mentioned in the main welcome announcement.

As LFF says, it keeps the forums open and inviting to all potential (and current) members, even if they do find swearing uncomfortable and/or unnecessary. If you don't, just turn the filter off and forget it ever existed. Simple.

But you know if you want to find things to complain about and this is what you bring up I guess things can't be too bad!

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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Being Dicks

Post by abx » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:15 pm

Regarding the fact that no one seemed to complain whatsoever prior to the filter, it seems I can't quite agree with you there pal.

Additionally who the gooseberry fool are you trying to welcome? The only people who use this forum are the people who come from ONM anyway, so what's the point trying to be accessible contrare to cultivating your forum for its already existent and limited userbase?
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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Being Dicks

Post by LFF » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:34 pm

A few members have expressed concerns about excessive swearing due to the new rule-set, albeit in a quieter and less noticeable manner.
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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Being Dicks

Post by abx » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:35 pm

A few, you say? A few that would've probably done just fine with an opt-in system instead?
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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Being Dicks

Post by Edd » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:38 pm

Why do you even care? Opt out and pretend it doesn't exist. It's not difficult.
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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Being Dicks

Post by LFF » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:38 pm

Both would have sufficed, but we chose opt-out. It just takes a single click to turn it off, so you're getting angry about very little.
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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Being Dicks

Post by Evil Ted » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:38 pm

abx wrote:A few, you say? A few that would've probably done just fine with an opt-in system instead?
it's opt-in for you now. If you want to opt-in, enable it in your UCP here.
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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Being Dicks

Post by abx » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:41 pm

LFF wrote:Both would have sufficed, but we chose opt-out. It just takes a single click to turn it off, so you're getting angry about very little.
It's a theme of this moderation team that is gonna end up making this place dull and uninteresting. I'm trying to point out eton mess you should stop doing.
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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Being Dicks

Post by Evil Ted » Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:44 pm

abx wrote:It's a theme of this moderation team that is gonna end up making this place dull and uninteresting. I'm trying to point out eton mess you should stop doing.
You can enable the swear filter in your UCP here. As this is now an opt-in feature for you, your problem has been solved.
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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Being Dicks

Post by abx » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:08 pm

Thanks Ookami But You're Not Actually Helping Anyone In This Instance
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Re: gooseberry fool Off, And Stop Being Dicks

Post by Evil Ted » Tue Oct 28, 2014 9:09 pm

yellow fellow993 wrote:Thanks Ookami But You're Not Actually Helping Anyone In This Instance
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