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General Election 2017

Conservatives
2
7%
Labour
10
34%
Liberal Democrats
10
34%
UKIP
0
No votes
SNP
1
3%
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
Green Party
0
No votes
BNP
0
No votes
English Democrats
1
3%
DUP
0
No votes
Sinn Féin
1
3%
Ulster Unionist Party
0
No votes
Respect Party
0
No votes
Monster Raving Loony Party
1
3%
The Pirate Party UK
1
3%
Independent
0
No votes
Conservatory Party
0
No votes
Other
1
3%
No One
1
3%
 
Total votes: 29

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Re: Politics General

Post by OrangeRakoon » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:23 am

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Feels a bit dick knowing my vote'll be cancelled out by my own family in part, but hey, what can you do.
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Re: Politics General

Post by Robbo-92 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:35 am

I'll probably go back to voting Lib Dem's, sadly it doesn't make much of a difference where I live as it's just about always been Labour, voted Tory last time as they stood the best chance of beating Labour but that didn't work so I'll go back to voting Lib Dem.

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Re: Politics General

Post by bort » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:59 am

if you ever feel like your vote is going to be wasted consider yourself lucky, last year the MP for my area set himself on fire and if he's running this year i can guarantee he's still going to win

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Re: Politics General

Post by Garf » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:27 am

was his actions a result of being elected or something

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Re: Politics General

Post by Warmij » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:12 pm

Well the way I see it is the country has two options

First option and definitely most likely:
The country decides to back a strong leader of a united, but fundamentally horrible party. Horrible government then proceeds to gooseberry fool the country up with a hard-right Brexit. Meanwhile, Labour rejects its toxic hard left takeover and installs a moderate, progressive liberal agenda in the leadership. Labour can then begin to improve its positioning, as well as gaining more favour with other progressive parties such as the Liberal Democrats. Possible workable coalition next GE that can attempt to fix the damage done.

Second option, incredibly unlikely and genuinely troubling:
The country decides to back a weak, commie leftist filth leader of a crumbling party. Government is perhaps propped up by a Liberal Democrat/SNP/Green progressive coalition (but said commie leftist filth leader and Lib Dem leader have ruled it out). Horrible government then collapses in on itself and we hold another election, at which point the country then decides to go for the first option. Meanwhile, Labour as a party collapses entirely in on itself, bleeding the progressive middle class vote to the Liberal Democrats, and the traditional working class vote to UKIP. And never shall the twain meet again, causing perpetual Tory rule.


Honestly, as a Labour supporter, although I will vote Labour in my area (due to my MP being a dickcunt, although he'll probably win again anyway) I'm not hoping for a Labour victory because I know it will be the end of progressive politics as we know it.

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Re: Politics General

Post by Spilskinanka » Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:58 am

corbyn's bad but i think option 2 is a bit excessive
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Re: Politics General

Post by Warmij » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:07 am

Unless Labour gets a majority (of which there is 0 chance) then Labour can only win by forming some sort of deal with the Lib Dems. Which, considering the new ideological gulf between Corbyn and the Lib Dems would lead to an unsustainable government.

And it would be during this period that Labour voters would actually have to assess where their politics lie. The working class vote is already bleeding to the Tories and UKIP, and an unworkable government would reflect worse on Labour than the Lib Dems since they would be in main control and exacerbate this thoroughly. Then you have the progressive middle class...

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Post by Majin_Nephets » Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:25 pm

Probably voting Lib Dem, but my area is a pretty secure Tory seat.
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Re: Politics General

Post by Bleachyleachy » Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:12 pm

The political assassination of Corbyn is pretty unlike anything I've ever seen. Lots of people seem to hate him but I've never really heard much of an explanation as to why besides him not being especially charismatic or good for the camera. Would someone mind giving a tl;dr on what he stands for and if or why people are so mad at him? (Genuine question, not been following politics much recently but since we have another bloomin' election coming up)

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Re: Politics General

Post by Kappa » Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:49 pm

he became leader of labour after a landslide and proceeded to sit on his hands for two years despite being a very large national referendum happening last year. also has a habit of firing people he doesn't like in his shadow cabinet and now that an election has been called he is finally starting to speak words from his mouth which is funny because that is also a trait that two year olds also tend to have

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Re: Politics General

Post by Warmij » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:18 pm

Stands for an outdated, regressive model of Socialism which decides to try to reach its target of equality by dragging the well off down, rather than bringing the poorest and most vulnerable up. Makes tons and tons of PR blunders whilst simultaneously believing he's doing a "great job" - he is deluded beyond belief. Pretty much blatant attempts at damaging the Remain campaign during the EU referendum (that he was supposedly supporting) by focusing more on criticisms of the EU than the positives during EVERY SINGLE rally he attended on the matter. Failing REPEATEDLY to score political goals on PMQs, by ignoring increasingly large criticisms of May during the relevant weeks, instead opting to focus on relatively minor targets (which, whilst would be normal subjects during most PMQs, is demonstrating a complete lack of political awareness).

Is so incredibly incompetent that, when trying to make a point about the overcrowded nature of trains in the country (which is to some extent true), can't actually find an overcrowded train, finds one with lots of reserved spots instead, goes ahead and ignores general train policy that state that people can sit in unoccupied reserved spots and sits on the floor, acting like the train is packed and films a video stating that it is "ram-packed", deliberately lying to the audience watching it at home.

Picks people like John "Fermenting the Overthrow of Capitalism" McDonnell (who literally threw Mao Zedong's Little Red Book across parliament) and Diane Abbott (who is so far to the left she genuinely believes that Chairman Mao "on balance did more good than harm" despite being responsible for the deaths of 45 million people) to be his most prominent allies in the media sphere. Does nothing about scum like Ken Livingstone until it's entirely too late (although him finally condemning Ken was a good thing, but it took him way too long).

In essence, he is a gooseberry fool terrible leader.

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