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General Election 2017

Conservatives
6
11%
Labour
30
55%
Liberal Democrats
9
16%
UKIP
1
2%
SNP
3
5%
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
Green Party
0
No votes
BNP
0
No votes
English Democrats
1
2%
DUP
1
2%
Sinn Féin
1
2%
Ulster Unionist Party
0
No votes
Respect Party
0
No votes
Monster Raving Loony Party
0
No votes
The Pirate Party UK
1
2%
Independent
0
No votes
Conservatory Party
0
No votes
Other
1
2%
No One
1
2%
 
Total votes: 55

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Re: Politics General

Post by Aren142 » Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:50 pm

Rik wrote:
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Aren142 wrote:
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Getting genuinely curious now. Just what happened in Liechtenstein?
Yeah I'm actually getting worried for Richard's wellbeing now, has he just dropped off the face of the earth? Has he started a new life with his pal in Liechtenstein or could he not face a world without a Conservative majority and done himself in?

At what point do we get the police involved?
Ok, being worried might be stretching it a bit. Not sure we actually want him back.
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Post by D.J » Tue Jun 27, 2017 6:48 am

Richard sent me an email yesterday, i thought 'ah, long time no see', but the email was empty.

Weird. :?
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Post by Decretum » Tue Jun 27, 2017 12:40 pm

I'd assume he got bored of doing his character now there's less merit to it
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Re: Politics General

Post by RichardUK » Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:12 am

Rik wrote:
Mon Jun 26, 2017 11:27 pm
Aren142 wrote:
Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:56 pm
Getting genuinely curious now. Just what happened in Liechtenstein?
Yeah I'm actually getting worried for Richard's wellbeing now, has he just dropped off the face of the earth? Has he started a new life with his pal in Liechtenstein or could he not face a world without a Conservative majority and done himself in?

At what point do we get the police involved?
:lol: I have returned, the election didn't go as well as anyone in or involved with the Conservative would have liked but again we won the most seats and the most votes
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Re: Politics General

Post by Shio hime » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:12 am

Actually most people didn't vote for the tories.
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Re: Politics General

Post by pokemaniac212 » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:04 pm

The same is true for every election since Baldwin got 55% in 1931, so that isn't saying an awful lot. The Tories still got more votes than any single other party.
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Post by D.J » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:08 pm

Exactly, they may have lost their majority, but the tories still won the most seats and so we're always going to be the party most able to form a government.
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Post by Shio hime » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:20 pm

pokemaniac212 wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:04 pm
The same is true for every election since Baldwin got 55% in 1931, so that isn't saying an awful lot. The Tories still got more votes than any single other party.
I'm not disputing that, I just don't like the phrase.
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Exactly, they may have lost their majority, but the tories still won the most seats and so we're always going to be the party most able to form a government.
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Re: Politics General

Post by JenovaPX » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:32 pm

To be honest the significant loss of support for the Tories, the dramatic growth in the number of marginal seats from ones previously deemed safe and the fallout post election as well as the cannibalising of May herself and alignment with a group like the DUP, it all leaves the Tories in a state where just looking at seats is burying your head in the sand. But then that's all just stuff that's been said already.
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Re: Politics General

Post by Shio hime » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:35 pm

Then the MP for my constituency goes out and demonstrates that she doesn't even have the presence of mind not to use the word nigger in public when she's an MP.

However a pretty good representation of her constituency as most people here wouldn't either.
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Re: Politics General

Post by Kappa » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:35 pm

please send first past the post to the north korean execution grounds

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Re: Politics General

Post by Shio hime » Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:36 pm

FPTP is fair and balanced.

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Re: Politics General

Post by Decretum » Tue Jul 11, 2017 7:53 pm

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Re: Politics General

Post by RichardUK » Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:49 pm

JenovaPX wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 6:32 pm
To be honest the significant loss of support for the Tories
2015 - 11,334,226 (36.9%)

2017 - 13,669,883 (42.4%)

We even got more votes than Tony Blair did in his 1997 landslide victory, there has been no loss of support for the conservative party, we have just gone back to two party politics with UKIP all but dead, Lib Dems being on the out skirts and the SNP losing support over there obsession with another referendum, Corbyn managed to get students and young people voting with his promises of free universities and all the sweets you can eat, it was a very smart move and he created a new demographic of voters, with out these votes we would have seen what everyone expected at the start of election

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Re: Politics General

Post by JenovaPX » Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:23 am

I'm on about in the build up to the election and post-election, not since the last election. Or did you miss the Tories haemorrhaging support and their lead plummeting in the run up? Honestly they're just jumping from eton mess to eton mess in how they handle everything right now.

Also pretty ridiculous to think that Corbyn has his youth support as a result of his ideas towards tuition given the mass of young Labour supporters he garnered prior to announcing that particular policy late in the day. It's as if they care about key issues like housing, wages, NHS, public services, the list goes on, that the Tories have failed to address. Likewise ridiculous to say two party politics and talk about the SNP like they're a thing of the past with their still strong domination in Scotland and already a shift in policy to adapt to public opinion.
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Post by Met » Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:32 am

Yeah, it's only 2 party politics if you look at it from the right. The only reason the Tories are in is because they hold a monopoly on the right side of the spectrum now and the left is fighting with itself rather than them.
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Re: Politics General

Post by Shio hime » Wed Jul 12, 2017 1:19 am

RichardUK wrote:
Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:49 pm
Corbyn managed to get students and young people voting with his promises of free universities and all the sweets you can eat
This is genuinely the most retarded eton mess that I see posted on this subject and I see it posted constantly.
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Re: Politics General

Post by barrybarryk » Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:51 am

University is already effectively free from the governments stand point. Few people ever paid back their student loans back when it was 3k a year, now it's more than 10k. More than two thirds will never pay it back. Successive governments have just been afraid of wiping that unpaid debt off the books but eventually they'll have to because the amount of red in that economic black hole is getting absurd.

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Re: Politics General

Post by Rik » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:46 pm

That's what I never get about tuition fees, why keep raising them when all it means is that in the long run it costs the government more? Surely it's better to have a lower fee meaning lower loans and a higher proportion of those loans getting paid back.
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Re: Politics General

Post by Shio hime » Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:49 pm

Increasing the initial amount of the loan and raising the interest rate means that more money is recuperated from people that will pay it off and it's not much more of a loss on those that wont.

Honestly the whole thing is retarded and should be written off as an investment in continuing to produce skilled workers, just like investing in infrastructure or anything else.
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Re: Politics General

Post by barrybarryk » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:20 pm

Shio hime wrote:
Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:49 pm
Increasing the initial amount of the loan and raising the interest rate means that more money is recuperated from people that will pay it off and it's not much more of a loss on those that wont.

Honestly the whole thing is retarded and should be written off as an investment in continuing to produce skilled workers, just like investing in infrastructure or anything else.
To pay back the top whack loan these days you'd need to walk out of Uni and into a 40k a year job, then have pay rises above inflation every year for 30 years. It's way past crazy at this point. The amount of money they actually claim back off people is pittance. At a 25k a year salary depending on your plan it's either £50 a month, or £30, you're barely putting a dent in it.

Increasing the loan and interest has virtually no effect on how much they claim back since it's capped and income based, it's just more public money going to universities at a time when record numbers are attending Uni and degrees are worth less than they ever have been.

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Re: Politics General

Post by Shio hime » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:50 pm

No it does have an effect cause the entire sum is still leaving the government's pocket in the first place.
The increased loan amount means that I will now pay back just over 60k instead of paying back about 35 under the previous system (numbers may not be entirely accurate I lost my workings for this when I lost my HDD).
This means the people who previously would have paid off the entire loan and stopped paying (like me) will now continue to pay for many more years thus putting more money back in to the system.
Those who weren't going to pay it off still contribute as much as they previously would as the repayments are earnings based not loan based.
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Re: Politics General

Post by barrybarryk » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:55 pm

"No it does have an effect cause the entire sum is still leaving the government's pocket in the first place."
That was the point, it affects them, not so much anyone else.

"The increased loan amount means that I will now pay back just over 60k"
How are you going to pay back 60k when it's capped, based on income and written off entirely from you in 30 years. Do you think you're going to come straight out of uni and pay £170+interest a month for 30 years straight? Because that's how much they'd have have to take off you.

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Re: Politics General

Post by Shio hime » Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:58 pm

I'm currently looking at several positions that will pay me over 30k in my first year of employment and with normal career progression I'm looking at 40+ before I'm 30.
Continuing to follow decent career progression I should pay everything off in 27 years if I did the maths correctly.

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Had to use a calculator cause as I said I lost my original workings.

Loan at start: ~46000
Total repayments: ~65000
Repayment term: 22 years 8 months
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Re: Politics General

Post by barrybarryk » Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:13 pm

At around 30k you're going to be paying back £67 a month (9% of anything over 21k)
At 40k you're going to be paying back £142 a month (at which point your loan interest becomes inflation + 3%).

You're not going to pay back that 60k

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