The Marvel thread *Plot of Fantastic 4?*

[Majin_Nephets]

...What.

[komodo joe]

Manhattan created the DCU

also there are three Jokers

[The False Guwuh]

also dr manhattan is now a serial killer who vaporises everyone in the exact same pose he killed rorschach

[Targey]

Marvel tries to do one better than DC by revealing Captain America's been a Hydra agent since the very beginning.

Out of curiosity, just how poor are comic sales at the moment to prompt all of this?

[The False Guwuh]

Supposedly the market bubble created by all the new #1s since ~2011 has popped. A lot of the post secret wars series ended up selling less by #2 than the pre secret war ones were at like #7 or more

[Stitch Lips]

Where have people read that Jon created the DCU
I was under the impression that he was only responsible for the Nu52

Captain America's been a Hydra agent since the very beginning.

But he only thinks he is, in reality Red Skull used Prof X's telepathy to implant false memories

[adamguy]

From the sounds of it, it seems the story of DC Rebirth is that

Kid Flash discovers that something has been making the DC Universe increasingly grim, depressing and violent. That something turns out to be Watchmen.

Now that sounds like some interesting meta-narrative imo. I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt for now. (I mean they're still gonna gooseberry fool it up but maybe they'll get lucky)

[Stitch Lips]

From the sounds of it, it seems the story of DC Rebirth is that

Kid Flash discovers that something has been making the DC Universe increasingly grim, depressing and violent. That something turns out to be Watchmen.

[Jezo]

Civil War was pretty sick, even if the plot was a bit lacklustre, but I suppose it was more about the fights and stuff. Plus, it seems like it'll be a bit of a setup for many of the other films to come.

[Majin_Nephets]

Marvel tries to do one better than DC by revealing Captain America's been a Hydra agent since the very beginning.

Wait, so this is real? I thought you just said it as a "what's next?" kind of thing.

[The False Guwuh]

The Captain America plot is almost definitely going to end up revealing that the memory was a fake implanted by Red Skull, he has psychic powers since Uncanny Avengers because he stole Xavier's brain