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What is your favourite F1 team?

Mercedes
1
9%
Ferrari
2
18%
Williams
1
9%
Red Bull
1
9%
Toro Rosso
1
9%
Force India
0
No votes
Renault
1
9%
Haas
0
No votes
McLaren
2
18%
Sauber
0
No votes
Manor
2
18%
 
Total votes: 11

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Post by D.J » Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:40 am

I don't get why Honda didn't just purchase or produce a basic non-mclaren chassis and have it pound around suzuka day after day throughout the winter until the engine is half decent. It would have helped develop the engine without having to worry about the testing regulations, it's something that used to happen often (Ferrari have been known to run older cars around their Fiorano track in order to improve parts).
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Post by Ape » Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:50 pm

Just wanted to note, today marks 10 years since Lewis Hamilton made his F1 debut. Funny to think that was a whole decade ago now.

It's sad to see what a big decline McLaren have had. 10 years ago today Fernando Alonso finished on the podium in a McLaren, 10 years on he's dragging his feet at the back of the grid. Since Hamilton left they've just made so many mistakes, developing a completely new concept for a car in 2013 when they should have built on their 2012 car. Admittedly they've been screwed over by the fact that Mercedes wanted a factory team but McLaren refused to be bought out, and bad luck in timing with the extraordinary success story of Brawn GP made them ideal candidates for Mercedes' purchase and pretty much gradually dissolved McLaren gradually over the years.

Although, since McLaren are regularly producing their own cars now, don't the McLaren cars have their own built engines? So that means that in the McLaren group as a whole there is knowledge of how to build an engine. Why don't McLaren just make their own engines for their own F1 cars instead of putting faith in a manufacturer like Honda who in recent years has not hit the standards of engine performance that they did in their first partnership with McLaren? The Honda factory team did awfully in 2007 and 2008 which should have been a big sign that the modern Honda does not know how to build a competitive engine, even with a seven year gap between departure and return.

Then again. I don't think the blame for McLaren's demise can be put at the feet entirely of Honda, they've been in decline since before then.

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Post by Robbo-92 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 5:11 pm

They could have just stuck their power unit in an older car (one that has similar downforce levels to the 2017 cars) and run that round Suzuka rather than build/buy a car to test the engine. I'd guess that McLaren have been suitably put off building their own power unit after the issues they have seen Honda, Renault and to a lesser extent Ferrari (who's 2014 unit wasn't great) have over the years. If they ever return to a NA engine (maybe with KERS still) they may hive it a shot as they do make their own engines for their road cars, they've even done a hybrid as well (P1 rings a bell) so its not like the technology is completely alien to them.

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Post by D.J » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:10 pm

The funny thing is, without Lewis' lucky title in 08 (remember, he only grabbed it back from Massa thanks to rain slowing up Glock), McLaren haven't even won any championships since the 1990's.

Raikkonen came close in '03 but the car was slow and it was only consistency which kept him in the running, the '05 car was amazingly fast, but Kimi was let down time and again by reliability issues. 2007 was a monumental cock up as Lewis was badly managed at the end of the year and spygate cost the team the constructors title (they scored more points that year than Ferrari). 2009-12 was a mixture of incompetent decision making and reliability woes, and it's been downhill ever since.
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Post by Robbo-92 » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:29 pm

They really should have won it in 2012 as well, they had the quickest car for the most part as well. In 2008 they were helped hugely by crash gate by Alonso and Renualt possibly costing Massa the Singapore GP win. Its actually a little worrying they have so much confidence in their chassis as well, obviously their 2017 might turn out to be good but the 14/15/16 cars weren't that great, 2016's wasn't bad though.

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Post by D.J » Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:31 pm

True, they couldn't even blame the engine in 2014 as they were using Mercs.
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Post by ミドリ » Mon Mar 20, 2017 12:55 pm

D.J wrote:
Sat Mar 18, 2017 8:10 pm
The funny thing is, without Lewis' lucky title in 08 (remember, he only grabbed it back from Massa thanks to rain slowing up Glock), McLaren haven't even won any championships since the 1990's.
McLaren didn't even win the WCC that year, Ferrari did. Heikki came seventh in that car.
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Post by Ape » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:14 pm

Sad times really.

Just 6 days to go until the race and 5 days until qualifying. Decided for a bit of fun to try and make a prediction as to what the grid will be for Round 1.

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I'm probably wildy wrong but I think Vandoorne will probably outqualify Alonso at least and that it will be Mercedes, Ferrari and Red Bull as the top 6 on the grid.

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Post by Spilskinanka » Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:46 pm

that stirs some memories of a certain forum game

speaking of 2012, repost for awareness
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Post by D.J » Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:20 pm

Spilskinanka wrote:
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that stirs some memories of a certain forum game
Certainly does. :D

As for the order, i think Hulkenberg may be top 10, that said though, the midfield is said to be very, very close.
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Post by Ape » Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:30 pm

D.J wrote:
Mon Mar 20, 2017 2:20 pm
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that stirs some memories of a certain forum game
Certainly does. :D

As for the order, i think Hulkenberg may be top 10, that said though, the midfield is said to be very, very close.
Yeah, I found the old cars in my imgur archive and just decided to redownload them all having previously lost the files. Then just updated them to modern cars including changing the shape.

Midfield was quite difficult to predict, I think the fact that Toro Rosso shares something similar to what Mercedes have will help get both cars in the top 10 and I think Perez's experience in the Force India will tell over Ocon when it comes to the grid. Williams are something of a wildcard because I think the car can be good but I'm not sure about the driver pairing.

This is probably all going to be wildly wrong anyway...

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Post by Robbo-92 » Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:28 pm

I still think Ferrari and Mercedes have been withholding a fair bit of performance as well making it harder to judge, possibly Red Bull as well but they leave their main upgrade package till Melbourne rather than bolting it on in testing. Behind that I think it'll be pretty close, actually think it'll be a mix of Toro Rosso and Williams between 7-10, then Renault and Force India between 11-14, Haas 15-16 and then depending on if McLaren can complete qualifying we might have McLaren 17-18 and then Sauber rounding the grid off. Still looks like a big if on whether McLaren can complete qualifying never mind the race.

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Post by D.J » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:39 am

https://www.formula1.com/en/results.htm ... ice-2.html

Looks like McLaren actually managed to complete practice without breaking down!
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Post by Ape » Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:28 pm

That pracitse actually tempreed my expectations a bit. Looks like Ferrari aren't anywhere near as fast as we thought they might be. This season could be in real danger of being completely dominated by Hamilton to the point where he could win it by halfway through the season.

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Post by Robbo-92 » Fri Mar 24, 2017 2:54 pm

I don't know, they did have a water leak that kept them in the garage for 20 mins or so.

I'm hoping Mercedes have shown their true pace quite early and everyone else is still waiting.... Hopefully plenty more to come from Bottas as well.

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Post by D.J » Fri Mar 24, 2017 3:02 pm

With any luck, turn 1 on lap 1 will see Max Verstappen lunge down the inside after a storming start, clip the back wheel of Hamilton and tip the Merc into a spin, perhaps then, someone else might have a chance.
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Post by Ape » Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:41 pm

He could take a leaf out of his father's book and have a crash like this:


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Post by D.J » Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:35 am

That one was Irvine's fault though, so unless Eddie returns to the track, it might be tricky to pull off. ;)
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Post by Robbo-92 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:11 am

Well I was pretty happy to see F1 back on the TV this morning, almost jumped out of bed at 04:50! :D

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Post by Ape » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:34 pm

OK, Giovanazzi is racing instead of Wehrlein so my prediction was already a bit inaccurate but let's see...
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http://i.imgur.com/B4NcEHI.png
Actual Grid:

1 HAM - Mercedes
2 VET - Ferrari
3 BOT - Mercedes
4 RAI - Ferrari
5 VER - Red Bull
6 GRO - Haas :shock:
7 MAS - Williams
8 SAI - Toro Rosso
9 KVY - Toro Rosso
10 RIC - Red Bull
11 PER - Force India
12 HUL - Renault
13 ALO - McLaren
14 OCO - Force India
15 ERI - Sauber
16 GIO - Sauber
17 MAG - Haas
18 VAN - McLaren
19 STR - Williams
20 PAL - Renault

So, got the front row right, got the Toro Rosso positions right and called a McLaren qualifying 18th, but in terms of positions I think those were the only positions I actually got right so... prediction was horribly wrong. 4/20.

Oh yeah, my family know someone who works on the communications side in Formula 1 and he apparently heard from a McLaren employee that they think it will take at least six races to get on top of their engine problems. So Canada at the earliest.

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Post by Robbo-92 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:50 pm

Canada? Sure I saw something from Karun Chandok that McLaren could have a Mercedes engine by Canada. I seriously doubt it has any weight to it though.

Enjoyed qualy altogether though, great to see Ferrari so relativity close to Mercedes.

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Post by Rawrgna » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:33 pm

speaking of McLaren i see they've resorted to questionable means to pay for dodgy Honda engines http://www.mclarenstore.com/stores/mcla ... ens/178347
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Post by Robbo-92 » Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:58 pm

I don't think I'd ever pay £250 for an item of clothing, with it being year old stock just makes the price even worse. Considering the relative performance of the power unit I think Honda should be paying McLaren anyway.....

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Post by Ape » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:22 pm

Well then, Vettel wins the first race of the season. Makes a difference from a Mercedes winning the opener.

Actual race was quite average I feel though, there were a few exciting moments from when Vettel came out of the pits and when Alonso, Hulkenberg and Ocon were all running alongside each other but apart from that there wasn't really that much overtaking going on.

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Post by Robbo-92 » Sun Mar 26, 2017 3:34 pm

Naturally I'm ecstatic with the result :D

I'm just happy it looks like we'll finally have a multi team battle for the titles if today's result carries over. Would be ideal if it swings each teams way, sometimes Ferrari are strong, others Mercedes and then sometimes both are on form.

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